Samuel Leeds Property Crash Course Review

Samuel Leeds Crash Course Review

If you’ve been following me since I jacked in the day job you’ll know that one thing I’ve researched is property investing as a sure-fire way of trumping the banks for making an income. This is my Samuel Leeds Crash Course Review. We attended the Samuel Leeds Crash Course in February 2018. Here’s a bit of background.

The Week The Landlords Moved In

One thing you can never do too much of is research. The interweb is a dream for this, but sometimes it’s difficult to see the wood from the trees. Of course we watch all the property programmes on the telly as well, but realise they paint a rosy and very simplistic picture of what it takes to buy a house and make it work for you business-wise.

There was a programme on last year where landlords and tenants would swap places, finding out what it was really like to live in the properties they were renting out.

Samuel Leeds as a landlord

One of the landlords appearing on the programme was Samuel Leeds. He seemed an ok guy and did his best on the programme to help out his tenant, a lady who was worried about being evicted because she was struggling a bit. It turned out when he visited her that she had a big hole in her roof, but hadn’t reported it because she thought he would put her rent up.

He’d actually agreed to give her a lower rent if she self managed the property, which is in Leadgate, Consett in County Durham. Not too far from me as a matter of fact. I was ok with the way he treated her, although I realise this was on camera so he couldn’t really do anything else at the time.

In the end she had to leave for another reason, but only after Samuel appeared to bend over backwards to try to help her. That was the first time I’d seen Samuel Leeds.

Samuel Leeds on Google

samuel leeds review - crash course trainer Samuel Leeds dressed in his magic illusionist days Samuel turned up later in a Google search when we started looking on the subject of buying property. We recognised him from the Landlords programme and found out he had a property training business going, teaching other people how to make a living from property. Samuel Leeds claims to be a Property multi-millionaire.

He also claims he rubs shoulders with the likes of Sir Alan Sugar, Sir Richard Branson and Arnold Schwarzenegger. He’s a little bit ‘evangelical’ at times in his presentation, not surprising considering he started as a church person, but his huge enthusiasm comes through loud and clear.

So, we booked on a Free two day Samuel Leeds property crash course with him in February 2018 in Salford, Manchester to find out what he’s all about and hopefully educate ourselves further about property investment.

The Crash Course itself

The Samuel Leeds Crash Course was held in the hotel right next door to Old Trafford Football Ground, the home of Manchester United. We turned up early and there were already people waiting.

Talking revealed that some of them had come a very long way to be there. After a few minutes of warm up by Samuel’s brother Russell Leeds, Samuel Leeds arrived. Russell is actually the CEO of Samuel Leeds Ltd. Samuel Leeds review - Russell Leeds in his slightly unusual illusion act days

We were all encouraged to join in with motivational activities, designed to get us in a positive frame of mind.

Much of the high-fives and telling your seated neighbour they are awesome ensued. We were also warned that filming was prohibited, lateness would be fined and that mobile phone access wouldn’t be tolerated during the sessions. The fines would ‘go to charity’, although it was never specified which one.

Samuel also told us that some people had told him they couldn’t come due to not being able to get time of work or that the car had broken down and they’d have to get the train to Manchester. This was dismissed as those people ‘not wanting it enough’.

Samuel was thrown out of his church

Much of the first morning was the history of Samuel Leeds – how he started at aged 17 and began investing in property by basically having a relative do it for him. He told of his religious start in life and how his church severed ties with him over his money making activities.

This was a surprise at the time and Samuel placed much emphasis on this to show how his intentions were misinterpreted by his church. 

The early course stuff then appeared to be Samuel following the flow of his book ‘Buy Low Rent High’. We started to make some notes. Samuel’s presentation style was very evangelical and ‘happy clappy’ and I could start to feel myself being manipulated, against my normal behaviour pattern.

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Samuel told us we needed to ‘lose the loser’ mentality. The whole thing is very fun at the start, with people ending up onstage and waving their arms about singing, but it still seemed as if it was an attempt to control me in some way?

Over 200 people in the room, some had been there before

There were about 200 people in the room altogether and some had apparently been there before. Samuel told us that people regularly came back to ‘refresh’ their training. I wondered why they were finding it so compelling as I was starting to find it a little bit uncomfortable, but we persevered.

More clapping and high-fives ensued, with Samuel trying to convert the room into his Church. Most people joined in, although I could already see that some were slipping outside of their comfort zone and they didn’t really seem happy about it.

I could slowly feel myself being re-programmed.

A lady was quitting her job as a nurse, thanks to Samuel

We then had people being invited onstage to tell their story. A lady called Anne was invited onstage by Samuel to tell us how she’d managed to buy two HMO’s (Houses of Multiple Occupancy) and she will shortly be quitting her job as a Nurse.

Samuel asks her if he’s made her ‘Financially Free’ (Financial Freedom is a phrase that Samuel Leeds uses a lot). I paid particular notice of Anne because she had a North East accent. She told us the first stage was to finish work herself and then have her husband join her in ‘Financial Freedom’. He worked in IT and earned about £30k a year.

Anne planned to leave her job at the end of the month. Samuel encouraged us to applaud and tell the World we are unstoppable.

Financial Freedom is when your Passive Income >= Your Living Expenses

True Passive Income doesn’t exist, therefore Financial Freedom is more difficult to achieve.

We broke for lunch. There was no food laid on for the Samuel Leeds Crash Course (it was free after all), so we walked down past Old Trafford and managed to find a Subway and shared a sandwich and a coke.

We needed to get back on time because we didn’t want to be fined by Samuel (£10 for being late don’t you know). Samuel told us to ‘Discipline Our Disappointment and Celebrate Our Success’.

House Prices ‘Double every 10 years’, according to Samuel

Samuel then began to tell us how house prices doubled every 10 years on average in the UK and that ‘all regions follow London’. Now, whilst this is broadly true of the rest of the country, over the last 10 years in our own region (North East England) it isn’t true at all.

I know Samuel is trying to say that property is better than the Stock Market to invest your money in, but for us what he was saying was only true over the last 20 years. However, we play along.

In reality, an average house in the North East of England that was worth £100k in 2008 is worth pretty much the same now, maybe even slightly less. The credit crunch saw to that.

We should Put Together a Power Team

Samuel then advised us that to buy houses successfully, we should put together a Power Team to make sure things ran smoothly and everything was in place to avoid delays and ensure that any prospective house purchase went smoothly and quickly. This was great to make a note of, but even then Samuel wanted his personal stamp on it.

Solicitor

Accountant

Mortgage Advisor

Unique Other

Estate Agents

Letting Agents

The course then drags on past the usual finish time (for us workers) we’re used to of 5pm. By this time i’m getting very tired and am ready for my bed. Another tactic to wear us down to make us more receptive to suggestions? Less will to resist?

Unfortunately our hotel is a two mile walk away in Salford Quays, so another 30-40 minutes. We pass The Alchemist bar on the way and promise to visit the next night.

The Selling Starts

Day two opened with the same happy clapping, high fiving, unstoppable start that Day one had introduced us to. One thing that became immediately apparent was that this day was going to contain an attempted upsell.

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All these types of courses do. We soon learned it was an upsell of Samuel Leeds’ further training. Whilst I was waiting to attend the Samuel Leeds Crash Course, I’d also been learning about Marketing.

I’d learned how to set up a Sales Funnel and how to guide people through to the end point, which was The Sale. Now some people who were at the Crash Course won’t have realised this but –

Samuel Leeds Crash Course is actually a Sales Funnel!

Yes folks, once you present yourself as a participant in his Crash Course, you are already in the Sales Funnel. Now Samuel will probably deny this (not at the actual Crash Course because no-one ever asks him). Why would he deny it? Because maybe he doesn’t want people to realise they’re being conditioned (softened up) into buying his further courses. It’s subtle and sly.

The course content and presentation style is done in a certain way to condition you and open you up to suggestions that you would normally just reject out of hand. I think it’s called Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP). It’s important you don’t notice this before the Hard Sell of Day 2.

Day 2 – Day Of The Hard Sell

Samuel begins to tell us all about the possibilities of how you can join him on a further course, the Deal Finding Extravaganza, in which you’ll be able to find deals LIVE and take advantage of them, in a highly focused workshop type environment.

He also claims he can guarantee we’ll get deals on this training. Wow! He also tells us about how to Buy Property without using your own money, the imaginatively titled NUYOMA (Never Use Your Own Money Again). All the while he’s telling us about this, at the back of the hall, we notice the Samuel Leeds Crash Course Team are beavering around and readying themselves with their credit card terminal readers.

Samuel tells us the price (I think it was around the £8k mark, but it’s not £8,000, not £5,000, not £4,000, but for today only a bargain £2,000 plus VAT.) and that it’s a one time price ‘not normally offered’ and only available until lunchtime.

My mind skips to Double Glazing Salesmen and Time-Share touts in Tenerife in the 1980s, that kind of thing.

He is now shouting from the stage, his audience are uncomfortable, including myself. We’re told we’re uncomfortable because ‘No-one likes being sold to’.  He starts pointing to people, asking why they are still sitting in their chairs, not taking advantage of the brilliant offer he’s just made?

He picks on one guy in particular and tries to ridicule him a bit, calling him a loser if he doesn’t ‘take the opportunity’. I’m rapidly losing my respect for Samuel during this.

This video was filmed at a different event, but shows how animated Samuel can get.

We stay seated, but several dozen people are now at the back of the room, apparently giving their credit card details and buying more training. A few others have left, not being able to take any more.

I say apparently, because I now suspect that some of these runners were deliberate ‘plants’ to start the stampede. Were they put there to encourage people to sign up by leading them to the ‘good deal’ at the back of the room?

Has the hard sell and personal shaming, coupled with the apparent ‘runners’ psychologically led people to sign up for the very expensive ‘second level’ of training? More NLP?

People were being led deeper into the rabbit hole, without actually knowing it.

I was feeling quite angry by now and as I go downstairs for lunch on day 2 i’m really not sure if I’m coming back. It takes me about an hour to calm down because I despise this kind of selling. I despise the manipulation, but realise it goes on and sometimes you’ve just got to sit through it.

It’ll stop eventually. We are strong to resist, some are not.

Samuel likes HMOs as a way of maximising income

One thing Samuel pushes hard on is that HMOs (Houses of Multiple Occupation) are an excellent way to get started quickly and earn a substantial income.

This is what Anne was going to do to leave work. We know that HMOs aren’t really for the beginner. For a beginner, a single Buy-To-Let will be enough to cope with. There’s a lot to learn as a landlord and HMOs require specialist mortgages.

Nevertheless, Samuel teaches about them and pushes them as a great idea. I now see complete novices asking rudimentary questions about HMOs on Facebook groups because they want to run before they can walk.

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We don’t have any HMOs. They can be a nightmare to look after and are anything but Passive Income. A lot of them may also end up being loss making as councils are starting to charge Council Tax by the room, leaving novice landlords in the s**t with an asset they can’t operate for a profit and can’t sell!

Next comes Lease Options

Lease Options Agreements, or LOAs as they’re affectionately known, are a way of ‘buying’ houses that aren’t generally used by the public, nor are they even understood by most.

They have been around for years, and are actually common in the commercial property sector. Samuel enthuses about LOAs as they are a way to control property. “Rich people don’t necessarily own property, but they do control it”.

He cited Donald Trump. Another red rag to this particular bull. I don’t like Donald Trump much.

For the uninitiated, a Lease Option Agreement  is simply an agreement to allow you to buy a house at a future date and at an agreed price, and then to control it until you do. The buyer has the option to buy, but once a contract is entered into, the seller must sell if he is asked to, at the agreed price.

Lease Options require a special set of conditions to be satisfied before they are beneficial and they require a very specific level of approach (not really for newbies).

Teaching this stuff to a newbie when they have never even had a mortgage or rented a house themselves before is a little like putting the cart before the horse.

However, Samuel dangles the carrot of what is possible and this is what the newbie entrepreneur laps up. Earning money from a house we don’t even own? It will hook several more people to the back of the room later.

Hard Selling The Samuel Leeds Training

Although the Samuel Leeds Property Investment Academy isn’t really pushed as much as the DFE/NUYOMA courses at the Crash Course stage, the selling undertone is still there.

It’s mentioned as being the ‘next stage for those who are truly serious about investing in property’ and the promise is for 12 months intensive mentorship and fast-tracking success within Samuel Leeds’ inner sanctum. In a brief conversation with him he did say that he thought we’d be a good fit on his Academy.

He thought we’d ‘smash it’.

When we did our Crash Course, the operation was a lot smaller and those who signed up seemed to get what they paid for. There were few reported problems and Samuel was riding high, especially with his reputation.

Conclusion

Don’t get me wrong, the Samuel Leeds Crash Course isn’t completely worthless (it is free after all).

There’s some good stuff in there for the complete newbie, but anyone turning up needs to keep their wits about them and knowing what we know now, you should definitely leave your credit cards at your hotel or home because they’ll try quite hard to get you to use them on more expensive training, requiring snap decisions to be made about large sums of money.

That isn’t something I can honestly recommend to others on this blog and the reason I give it the rating I do.

We learned since that Anne, the lady who was hailed as Financially Free because she was planning to buy two HMOs, is now back working as a Nurse, so maybe it didn’t work out for her.

Disclaimer: This has been my experience of the training. All opinions are my own and the potential trainee should do their own Due Diligence before parting with money for training.

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Samuel Leeds Property Crash Course

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Product

4.0/10

Service

4.0/10

Overall Quality

4.0/10

Pros

  • Quick Introduction To Property Investment
  • Chance to Network
  • Motivational Activities

Cons

  • A Lot Of Time Wasted
  • Evangelical Delivery
  • High Pressure Upselling

4 thoughts on “Samuel Leeds Property Crash Course Review”

  1. Yesterday, I attended the 2 day crash course in Peterborough. On reflection it has been a complete eye opener for me. I wasn’t expecting much and the sole reason was to network with like minded people. Walked away with a number of new techniques, approaches and tools. Feeling really inspired and determined not to be one of the majority who do nothing and procrastinate. Thanks Samuel and team for helping me become more determined to make this work.

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    • Congrats for taking action Josh! The Peterborough event looked massive!

      Samuel’s course was the first property course we ever did and it got us started and in the right frame of mind. A year later and we’re viewing, offering and have two more houses than when we went on the course. We’ve missed out on a few too, some through inexperience and some through no fault of our own, but we’re getting there.

      We’ve been on Sarah Poynton-Ryan’s course as well in Milton Keynes – check her out if R2R is something that might interest you (search Facebook for ‘Cogito Wealth’).

      I wish you every success with your ventures.

      Dave.

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  2. Addendum

    Trustpilot reviews (many now deleted) seem to say that quality has fallen and a lot of people are now seeking refunds because they feel they aren’t getting what they were promised. They are alleging the training has been mis-sold and they have been wanting their money back. There is now actually a pending class action by former students.

    Bad Reviews are flagged at Trustpilot and removed

    https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.property-investors.co.uk/transparency

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